Satan – God of this world

Something is being missed. I look left, I look right..I just don’t see it.

Satanists oppose, they choose targets and lay waste. The why isn’t as important as the result, the raw experience that comes only from doing, yet the why remains an elusive thing. Some see a change to be made, something wrong with the world and seek out on a quest to right it..which is of course slingshots against the lightning. This can be useful as a vector for esoteric development(a reason to do), yet still to these, as it seems to me, something remains unseen, unrealized.

To those on the path there are many stumbling blocks, and just as many ways to navigate them. For instance, if it is not fully realized that the RHP/LHP dynamic can effectively understood as a stasis/progress dynamic one might fall into the trap of seeking a new stasis to replace the old. A brave new world, or some Satanic paradise where might is right is law and we can all sing kumbayah backwards over the light of baby fat candles at Dennys, ahh yes we should all unite and strive for this…

Surely, as adversity breeds change we should fight tooth and nail to impose our will upon the world?  To show the slaves their chains and impel them to break free? To open the gates of the pen and start a revolution? A naive bit of idealism.

Most people LIKE their chains, they LIKE their pen, their masters, their stasis. They crave it, they need it, they are OF it. The god of the bible is a representation of that thoughtform – a cut and dried unchanging blueprint for all of history. Another is ‘democracy’, patriotism, belief in the state is belief in the essence of that god in secular clothing. This LHP/RHP thing isn’t a war, or a struggle for dominance but a facticity, a balance formed over thousands and thousands of years of human society.

Yet, with all of that said, there is a little yin to this yang, a nested doll within the next. To be a Satanist, to be of the devil..is to see beauty in the world, to love it as it is..all the hate, violence, horror and death right along side the beauty, love and the rest of human experience that operates by scale of contrast. To be of God, or of secular god stuff, is to look at a broken world in need of fixing, righting. To have a ‘better way’ or a standard of ‘rightness'(stasis) to impose upon the world. Yet these too are and always have been part of the balance.

Satan rules this world. The dark prince of adversity, machinations, will to power..the ever turning wheel. Yet, the wheel remains a wheel relative to how and where it turns, a sort of stasis in the ever present change by fang and claw. An equilibrium of pushing and pulling, a a balance within the constant struggle only Sisyphus might truly comprehend.

It is from this realization that amorality is possible, that the need to impose stasis can be shed. The world isn’t broken, it simply is. There is no better or worse, no right or wrong. There are those mundane humans that prefer to mold themselves to some other, or mold the world to some other, and there are, naturally, those that embrace what is, and what they are. There is the undeniable state of reality, in all its hard, uncompromising and brutal glory. There is ‘Satan’, and there are all of his many many would be, impotent and cuckold successors, those that would fire the slingshot against the lightning and expect victory.

Yes, there is something missed. There is nothing static but the dynamic balance. There is no ‘superior’, only those impelled to be what they are, for any reason or no reason. There is no imposing order on chaos, because there is already a sort of order..something bigger than any man or any idea. Something that can’t be fucked with.

I choose to call that something, ‘Satan’.  That I choose to embody this state of constant conflict within myself makes me Autodiabolic.

 

 

 

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18 responses to “Satan – God of this world

  1. A Reply to Dan’s latest blog
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    I once went through a stage in my youth where (fuck it) seemed to be a rather logical stance. I looked around at things, and it seemed that everything was fucked, everything was wrong somehow. I could see what people were calling good, and I could see what people were calling bad. But for me, I just seen that shit happens. It was the common people that like to use any occurrence as an excuse to validate their opinion, rather than acknowledge what it was they were witnessing. It was also apparent that I (and everyone else) was expected to share in that common opinion, and in the event that I did not, correction was issued, most of which were\are illogical as that opinion cast at the initial phenomena in question, and none of which really addressed the phenomena’s purpose. Thus I realized that the difference between my perception, and their own, lay simply in my ability to recognize a thing for what it is, why it is, without passing judgment, or needing an opinion (or another’s) to explain its occurrence. Shit just happens, (fuck it) why should I care. Well, it was that one aspect of reality that I could not leave alone, that I could not accept. It turned out that I too had an opinion, though not a common one, and sought to counter that of others. That one thing which I viewed as being fucked, not being the world around me, but the people within it, and their views of the world itself. These people and their views, their beliefs, however, are but another of the many dynamics of this world, thus I realized a dynamic of my being, which was\is at odds with the world, rather than a simple acceptance of that which I was\am observing. I sought to change something after all, and that didn’t fit in to my convenient little teenybopper (fuck it) stance.

    It’s likely that I had more of a philosophical foundation to (fuck it) than most, as I didn’t cast everything off due to some rejection of, or irresponsibility to, what is being projected as normality. I just dint see any reason to reject that which the universe had brought to be, that which had naturally been produced by the endless cycles and rotations of nature folding in on itself, acting on itself, in endless and beautiful ways. But I was a natural being myself, and I did not find it all to be beautiful. I didn’t find humanity to be some phenomena to be observed from afar, or simply ignored, or accepted, as is. But who was I to correct natural evolution, even in the event that it stood before me as a member of my own species, thumping a bible? So, while this stage of confusion played itself out, I remained emotionally indifferent to the existence nonsensical phenomena, and for some time I focused on my personal development, living, traveling, fucking, fighting, wandering, experiencing all that I could, and I did nothing about the world itself, as though I were something that existed on it, rather than in it, as it. I felt as though I was (above) the level of having a belief in religious or political explanations of the world, as I personally had no need of them when I could think for myself, when I could just ignore it all, and watch it burn from a distance, (fuck it). This idea was, for a time, amplified by my ignorant youthful reasoning that the religions and politics were wrong, and no conscious mind was underlying and leading the universe as the theist claimed. That sort of thinking was mundanity itself, it was a theistic belief, and I had no use of it. Or so I thought at the time.

    I’d never had such a powerful experience as when I was stricken by the epifinany which lead to the initial codification of the Interrogistic Methodology. I came to realize that these Christian ideas, or the rejection of them, had blinded me to the truth, while I had arrogantly congratulated myself for having not been fooled. Such is the folly of youth. Until that point in my life, much like AutoDiabolic, I had been fooling myself. My rejection of religion and politics was equally as blinding as any dedicated belief in these systems could ever be. In reality religion fails because it suggest a consciousness (out there) (ordering things) from afar. Politics fails because it suggest an (imposed order from without). There is however a consciousness which orders this universe, but it’s not (out there), it is my own. I am not only OF this universe, I AM this universe, and I am aware, I am the awareness of myself within myself. Within I.M.913, this awareness is referred to as Queastellyeah. It’s not a term of any great importance to anyone outside the Interrogist Framework, it’s just a term which defines an Interrogist participation in their own (and everyone’s) course of evolution. Religion and Politics being mundane, has nothing to do with this realization. Its simple evolution. There exist prey, and there exist predators. Prey gather together and do their thing, while predators have small packs, or fly solo. They do basically the same thing over all. That thing that sets me apart, that makes me a predator, (it), is nothing more than the awareness of what I am, and its impact on my point of view, and standard of values. I am set apart from the rest, due to knowing just how plugged in I am.

    It is from that awareness that one is able to tweak reality, as reality is not a thing being viewed from without, but a thing being driven from within, for Interrogist anyway. Is my way better than another? Yes it is. Do I offer it to others and hope to change the world? I certainly do. I have written before on the failure of Satanist, with their (step 1er) approach. The most common failure that I see is that Satanist, Occultist, ADM, or what have you, all share this unfounded idea that a herd, pack, or hive mind, is somehow wrong or in some manner, detrimental to their personal, occult, or satanic progression. This fails at the point of realizing that personal progress dies with the death of the progress or, however, shared progressions live beyond the individual and, as thus, exponentially increases that progress beyond the realm of the human life span, effecting change on a larger scale. Now Satanist and ADMers are more than welcome to dismiss this fact, and they are welcome to withdraw from participation in reality, being selfish, and contributing noting to anyone other than themselves, however, in doing so, they admit defeat, they assume a position among the mundane, and cast themselves into obscurity. That is however their choice to be made. Each generation of Satanist now having their own nonsensical ego boost, claiming to (get it) and (not being subject to it), all the while diving head first right into IT, never taking that second step which actually takes hold of the wheel.

    ADM can see the wheel, but much like the mundane, calls it god, and says to themselves, (This is bigger than me, and I can’t fuck with this), thus defining ADM as a label for those who accept what they are given, yet also mocking others who do the same, as being slaves. The biblical Satan was willing to die rather than accept his position in the make-believe Kingdome, and he waged war on a being believed to be undefeatable, rather than accepting what was given to him. He redefined reality, he rebelled, and he won. This is the ONLY point at which I have more respect for a fairytales that the reality in my face. Satanist no longer, (if they ever did), have this standard of do or die. According to ADM its now (do for elusive reasons) whatever that means. Its nearly laughable, this idea that nothing should be changed because nothing is broken, and elaborating on how futile any attempt would be. Must something be broken, that it acted upon? ADM fails to realize that all the big bad experience that it claims to seek has an effect on the person seeking and experiencing. Is that person broken, and if not, why then are you acting on him\yourself? Ill note that ADM welcomes itself to this practice, while labeling mundane, any others who do the same? As if to claim no right and wrong exist, then prescribing what it believes to be right, in spite of itself, and then calling that (THE DEVIL), lol. I’ll leave that to ADM to sort out.

    AutoDiabolic claims to do, but isn’t sure why, and claims that the why is elusive and not important. Just pick a target and waste it, to see how you feel. Take just a moment and ask yourself if that makes any sense? ADM openly contradicts itself in a rather noticeable way. On the one hand, ADM states that people striving to produce changes which need to be made to the world, is somehow wrong, and cannot be realized, that revolution is idealism , and that it is (of god) to fix what is broken, to right what is wrong, or to offer a better way. The thing is, in expressing his thoughts in such a public way as this, Dan is in fact here to issue (what he thinks is) a better way, a right way to view this world (satanically), fixing the broken idea of Satan, all packaged into one presentation, which he (on YouTube) admits publically, so as to inform and influence two, or perhaps three, people to (walk the devils road), that being the very change which Dan seeks to manifest in the world, while claiming not to do so, or to know why he is doing so… Please. Dan’s blog claims to represent something that it simply cannot. He can’t help but to offer his thinking, his views, and indeed, he cannot help but to create change by doing so. I don’t say this to mock him whatsoever. I address that his blog claims one non-point, while in reality it servers to prove the point that I am using to counter this childish Satan business.

    What then is the point of this blog, in which Dan gathered his thoughts and displayed them publically, if such attempts are futile? Is this blog the impotent pebble issued forth unto the lightening of an unchanging wheel of dynamic balance? If I were a lesser man, I say yes, and leave him looking the fool. In truth Dan is no fool at all, he simply has a Satan complex which hinders his expression. Stripped of the (fluff) and elaborated upon, this blog tries to address the state of reality in non-realistic terms, thus my utter disgust for Satan (the form). My personal Interrogistic point of view, which you are more than welcome to internalize, is that Dan fails in only one critical regard, which destroys his blog. You see, this dynamic wheel of balance of his, is not partial to chaos or order. Even in the event that no man consciously attempts to steer, this wheel has driven itself for some time. Nature is itself an order and no chaos exist, anywhere. Failing to recognize order is not a discovery of chaos. Might we refrain from plugging magic into every gap in our collective knowledge? All things are ordered. Dan inadvertently attempts to assume that order is produced by man or issued by man. In reality man is a production of nature’s order, and naturally, we as men\women can steer this wheel, if and when we come to participate in, rather than remain subject to, evolution. It is true that this is bigger than any one of us. What is untrue is that we can have no effect on this system. I state that I am a product of this system brought forth so as to issue change, and naturally my intent will be to do so, to the extent that I am able. My nature is not futile, no is your own.

    All technology, all science, and all the blogs ever posted on the net, are evidence that this is so. In fact, so are all the religions, politics, and cultures that we can do without. Evolution has no (natural) goal; it selects naturally, species which possess the necessary traits to survive in any given environment. The same is true of memetic development. Memes live and die just as any gene, and according to the memetic environment, memetic traits will come and go which lead to evolution, speciation, extinctions, and competition for memetic territory. That’s the ground in question this is where Dan and I differ. In a recent blog, I redefined the term (abyss) to represent this ground.

    Exert from (Correcting the Mythos)

    ~Abyss~ makes reference to the transition from Causal to Acausal perception, or to put it another way, the transition from mundane subjectivity, to Interrogistic participation, with respect to aeonic influence pertaining to humanities evolution. The (it) cycle – Interrogistic Memetic Transmutation Cycle – observes that (causal understanding) comes, for the most part, via proxy, and requires no level of speculation by which the subject need be validated. This kind of (knowing) is referred to as (belief or faith) and equates to being a kind of knowledge in which no actual facts or data exist. Those who are limited by such causal thinking are referred to as being mundane, as they question no aspect of religious, political, or cultural laws, and thus consent to slavery, while believing themselves to be free. Indeed, this is the state of all people who lack the skill and ability to Interrogate the mundanity of superficial reality. Now the fact that some people are bound by such memetics is not, in itself, a problem. The problem is the fact that such a percentage of the human population are bound by such memetics, that Acausal thinking is now being retarded due to mundanity nearly dominating all aspects of scientific exploration and understanding. Interrogist are not bound to the memetics in question, and as thus, Interrogist are not bound to causal thinking. The result of Acausal thinking is the desire of evaluation, validation, and dissection of all physical quanta and intellectual concepts. The desire to evaluate, rather than blindly internalize, is the starkest contrast between causal and acausal perception. It is also the same contrast which exist between emotional belief and factual data, and it is a working knowledge of that data which allows one to manipulate the memetics, rather than being subject to them. Unknown to the mundane, those beings residing on a higher level of existence, are not their gods. They are Interrogist, to whom the memetics are subject. Interrogist are able to intercept a meme in a way that allows one to, either reject, or manipulate, (to mutate, if you will), the meme in question. Such mutations may include deletion, addition, or alteration of memetic data. The most beneficial alterations to any meme is to delete the aspects which have no evidence, and forge standards of those aspects which are demonstrably true. Thus, Acausal thinking is basically the process of intercepting a meme, the removal of illogic, the demonstration of the logical aspects ability to function without the mundane aspect, and the distribution of the reformatted meme. The abyss is the ground on which this reformatting takes place, where the matrix is hacked.

    For more on the (imt) cycle, see the post titled -Entrepreneurial Opportunist-

    It is my nature to drive change, nature produced my will, nature produced my perception, my Interrogation, and issued my birth that I effect that changes needed which keeps this dynamic balance, which ADM calls god. It’s funny that Satanist of all people, would fuck that up, that someone like myself (despising Satanism) would need to come show them how to be their own gods… lol. I thought that was supposed to be their whole gig, I guess not. ADM is rite about one thing, in that not everyone can take the wheel and drive, and that’s just fine, as nature doesn’t intend them to do so. We all have our place… Only a few of us know it. 😉

    May your mind be stripped of religion, May your wrist be stripped of politics, May your voice be stripped of culture,

    I.M.913

    Interrogist 1

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    And a question or two for Dan,

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    ~Dan
    Satanists oppose, they choose targets and lay waste. The why isn’t as important as the result, the raw experience that comes only from doing, yet the why remains an elusive thing.

    ~Interrogist
    By Satanist, I would assume that you imply those who share in your ideology pertaining to being unable to change the world around you, and not the hundreds of other beliefs that call themselves Satanism as well. It’s curious that you believe yourself able to choose targets and lay waste, without producing change in the targets in question. I see no reason to ask you to explain that though, as you state also that you don’t know why you’d do that, other than to experience it for yourself, which is in fact a change in yourself, a second contradiction in your opening statement. All in all, you seem to have a handful of slingshots while hopelessly facing your own personal lightening.

    Tell us all once more Dan, what is pathie mathos, and what is its use to an individual, and how does its use pertain to (not changing yourself or anything else), which attempt, you state to be futile.

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    ~Dan
    Some see a change to be made, something wrong with the world and seek out on a quest to right it..which is of course slingshots against the lightning. This can be useful as a vector for esoteric development(a reason to do), yet still to these, as it seems to me, something remains unseen, unrealized.

    ~Dan
    For instance, if it is not fully realized that the RHP/LHP dynamic can effectively understood as a stasis/progress dynamic one might fall into the trap of seeking a new stasis to replace the old.

    ~Interrogist
    LOL, So stasis is bad, and progress is good, but having thoughts of good\bad, is itself a state of stasis. Ok? So you define your own claim to progress as being stasis… You do realize that don’t you?

    Stasis is only possible for the individual, however, even that is a form of progression in the grander scheme of things which you claim an inability to fuck with. On the planetary level, no stasis is possible, as change is foundational in the systems by which nature is constantly digesting and recycling itself, always developing new ways to do so. Of all the life to exist on this planet, 99% is extinct, and of all the millions of life forms available for observation, all will pass. Life is eternal, it is only the form that passes, and it is that (form) which is always changing, making stasis impossible. Stasis only exist in the event that you withdraw from the option to add your will to that current which changes and replaces the old, and creates the new, both genetically and mimetically speaking. That current is not hindered by your withdraw. Interrogist recognize that nature is capable of changing itself as it is necessary, and that we as interrogist are a manifestation of this change in action, produced so as to affect necessary change, to counter that which exceeds its bounds, to create that balance which ADM cant fuck with. I have no slingshot Dan, as I am the lightening. Your pebbles are more interesting than most though.

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    ~Dan
    To be a Satanist, to be of the devil..

    ~Interrogist
    LOL,

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    ~Dan
    Satan rules this world. The dark prince of adversity, machinations, will to power..the ever turning wheel.

    ~Interrogist
    That’s just cute, but tell me Dan, How is your pointing to something larger than yourself, and calling it Satan\God, any different from any other theist doing the same. How do you mock them, while you do the same? Should you not also mock yourself in that case?

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    May your mind be stripped of religion, May your wrist be stripped of politics, May your voice be stripped of culture,

    I.M.913

    Interrogist 1

    • See, this is why I didn’t respond to your video. here again, you project yourself into what you believe I mean by this and that and proceed to refute yourself. You don’t seem to understand what I am saying about..well..anything, nor do you seem to (despite numerous attempts to hammer it into your brain) understand the value of metaphor, or form vs essence. Why do you suppose nobody really pays attention to your heaps of blogs and videos? Why this 913 group you keep representing yourself as is just..well..you?

      Here are some examples what are either transparent disingenuousness or glib replies to shit you didn’t actually give much thought to(I’ll just leave out the third option for the sake of civility):

      “By Satanist, I would assume that you imply those who share in your ideology pertaining to being unable to change the world around you”

      Nowhere have I hinted the world around us is static or unchangeable. In fact, I have spoken at length to the contrary.

      ” It’s curious that you believe yourself able to choose targets and lay waste, without producing change in the targets in question.”

      Nowhere have I ever hinted I wish to change anyone. I’m only interested in changing(refining) myself.

      ” So stasis is bad, and progress is good, but having thoughts of good\bad, is itself a state of stasis.”

      I didn’t say anything about progress, I don’t liken rhp/lhp to good/bad, nor have I stated that dividing things (good/bad) was related to stasis. I look at the text you quoted, then your response to it, and scratch my head. Who are you talking to?

      “How is your pointing to something larger than yourself, and calling it Satan\God, any different from any other theist doing the same.”

      I don’t do that, nor have I stated anything to that end. My Satan is a metaphorical expression, a packaging for a certain facticity about how the world works, and pursuing that principle, that Satan.

      You just aren’t paying attention.

      Like I said before, if you want to do this we can do it in youtube debate, so I can deliver my own arguments rather than sit here and explain why all of these funny positions you are creating for me are so far off the mark.

      Anyhow, I’m not going to do any more of that, but I will leave you with a couple things.

      1:ADM doesn’t say anything, I do. It is an expression of me, and nothing more.
      I’ll leave the fronting behind imaginary orgs of which I am the only member and hiding behind identity badges to say things by proxy to *other folk* (wink)

      2: I am not superstitious. It’s sort of sad that your time as a believer left you unable to see past the superstitious layer and into something deeper. I highly recomend you look into Wittgenstein or language philosophy in general if you want to get a handle on this 😉

      With that said, how about that debate Darryl?

      • If it is the case that I have misunderstood you Dan, which is possible, it may be the case that you have spent more time developing a package for your statement, than developing the statement itself.

        I fully understand what a metaphor is, how it works, and all that jazz. What I fail to recognize is this overuse of it in AutoDiabolic and Satanism over all. No misunderstanding is possible where as the facts are laid out and demonstrated clearly.

        My heaps of (videos) would be only six, and my heaps of (blogs) would be only ten or fifteen. And that is in the past year Dan. Heaps, is a bit of a strong word for something that numbers (in its entirety) around twenty, and so far as no one paying attention, I have a humble 4000 – 5000 hits, from various repeat readers\viewers.

        913 is myself online, and offline a select few. The group as you call it is represented in such a way, as I offer something, (not insisting that you must) which I believe is a better way, mainly consisting of stripping away the bullshit from what you (anyone) may believe. Reality is able to represent itself, to be observed without the need of pre assumed prescriptions, and to be expressed without the need of metaphor. I assert this, and offer this standard to others. If you were paying attention Dan, you would realize that I do this only when I find something of use, in the metaphors issued by others. You are welcome.

        Example: you state that I misunderstand you as saying that Satanist view the world as unchangeable, however, your exact words were “something bigger than any man, something which can not be fucked with” Ok? So what were you talking about then? You see, simply saying what you mean would clear that up. Thinking yourself to be an atheist, and representing yourself as someone who addresses the world as God\Satan simply is not reasonable. At least not as I see it.

        Again, a contradiction exist between your not wanting to change the world, and wanting to change yourself. You are of this world Dan. Changing yourself indeed changes the world. If you have no desire to have an effect on other, whats with the public blog post? You could keep a private journal of your own.

        You have something worth while to say man. I just dont dig the way you feel you have to say it, the (comical – as I see it) metaphor you wrap it all in.

        You scratch your head and look over my reply, not knowing who I am talking to. I also scratch my head each time you say that you dont believe in gods, and Satan is a metaphor, BUT the metaphor Satan is the GOD or this world… ? I also wonder who you are talking to.

        What is it that makes the metaphor of Satan work better than the science of ecology? What has it discovered that method has not?

        Why dont I have a big YouTube debate with you? Because I am a full time college student and i have very little time between classes and shoot’s and text and exams, to just stop everything and make a video that only our little group will care anything about. What I can do is drop in from time to time and check my wordpress and your own, to see whats up and all that. Take it or leave it. Im not buying this whole thing about You have to format your videos like I say OR I just cant talk about it. Its on you man.

      • “Example: you state that I misunderstand you as saying that Satanist view the world as unchangeable, however, your exact words were “something bigger than any man, something which can not be fucked with” Ok? So what were you talking about then? ”

        First, I didn’t say that ‘Satanist(s)’ view the world like anything. Again, I speak for nobody other than myself..to do otherwise comes off as a bit pretentious doncha think?

        Second, the context is all there, laid out pretty clearly. What is unchanging is the nature of change driven by conflict, darwinism, dog eat dog. Within that frameset is the unchanging nature of man, his motivations, his instincts, his predilections. Recognizing this is hardly tantamount to claiming everything in the world is unchangeable. I’m honestly unsure how you can make such a leap of logic and keep a straight face.

        “If you have no desire to have an effect on other, whats with the public blog post?”

        ADM exists because nobody was saying the shit I had to say before I started saying it(even if some others might have released a supermarket brand cola to my coke after the fact 😉 )

        It exists to reach like minds, and to make contacts I find worthwhile. It exists because I am creative, and I enjoy creating it. it exists ‘here’ rather than in some private grimoir somewhere because he is where I get feedback.

        Did none of these other possibilities cross your mind at all?

        “Satan is a metaphor, BUT the metaphor Satan is the GOD or this world… ? I also wonder who you are talking to.”

        I suppose you could say the packaging exists for a host of reasons..one being to both attract and repel certain sorts. I have never claimed I am talking to EVERYBODY, because this shit aint for everyone. If you really don’t know what I mean by that you either haven’t read my shit or you are being purposefully obtuse.

        “You have something worth while to say man. I just dont dig the way you feel you have to say it, the (comical – as I see it) metaphor you wrap it all in.”

        Well I should hope you would think that, seeing as 7/10ths of your shit is a watered down ADM, with the other 3 being straight out of myatts mouth to your fingers. 😉 (methodologies? Really? lol). And for that matter, I can see how why you might be steering clear of the word ‘method’ when you call it “your autodiabolic”. Don’t worry though, you aren’t the first person to swing on them. 🙂

        “Why dont I have a big YouTube debate with you? Because I am a full time college student and i have very little time between classes and shoot’s and text and exams, to just stop everything and make a video that only our little group will care anything about.”

        Which would take more time than writing these megadiatribes here or releasing videos just for me on your youtube channel? Okie dokie!

        “Take it or leave it. Im not buying this whole thing about You have to format your videos like I say OR I just cant talk about it. Its on you man.”

        Ya, you keep saying that..only it isn’t true. You seem to feel some sense of entitlement that I owe you my time on your terms. Am I releasing videos on my youtube talking about you? Am I leaving short novels on your wordpress? No..and no. So I offer you an actual debate, so you can put your interrogist skills in the light for all to see, with the one stipulation that you live up to the words you put up on YOUR OWN BLOG about not being to scared to be in the open about it..you know, come to the face like a man. And here you are trying to spin it like I’m setting some crazy terms. lol

        Anyway, if you ever get over your dehabilitating shyness you know where to find me.

    • ~Dan
      First, I didn’t say that ‘Satanist(s)’ view the world like anything. Again, I speak for nobody other than myself..to do otherwise comes off as a bit pretentious doncha think?

      ~Interrogist
      I do actually, thus my curiosity when you say things like,

      “Satanists oppose, they choose targets and lay waste” OR “To be a Satanist, to be of the devil..is to see beauty in the world, to love it as it is..all the hate, violence, horror and death right along side the beauty, love and the rest of human experience that operates by scale of contrast” OR “I choose to call that something, ‘Satan’.”

      So while you didn’t say “view the world” you clearly extend this (Satanist) idea beyond yourself, and speak in a much broader sense that you are willing to admit.

      ~Dan
      Second, the context is all there, laid out pretty clearly. What is unchanging is the nature of change driven by conflict, darwinism, dog eat dog. Within that frameset is the unchanging nature of man, his motivations, his instincts, his predilections. Recognizing this is hardly tantamount to claiming everything in the world is unchangeable. I’m honestly unsure how you can make such a leap of logic and keep a straight face.

      ~Interrogist
      Dan says: There is no imposing order on chaos, because there is already a sort of order..something bigger than any man or any idea. Something that can’t be fucked with. I choose to call that something, ‘Satan’. That I choose to embody this state of constant conflict within myself makes me Autodiabolic.

      You see Dan, you address something which you claim cant be altered, and then entitle yourself to a choice within its context. We can talk more about logic when you get that bit sorted out.

      ~Dan
      Interrogist says: If you have no desire to have an effect on other, whats with the public blog post?”
      Dan says: ADM exists because nobody was saying the shit I had to say before I started saying it(even if some others might have released a supermarket brand cola to my coke after the fact )
      It exists to reach like minds, and to make contacts I find worthwhile. It exists because I am creative, and I enjoy creating it. it exists ‘here’ rather than in some private grimoir somewhere because he is where I get feedback.
      Did none of these other possibilities cross your mind at all?

      ~Interrogist
      First of all, my point was that your post are indeed (fucking with) that which you claim (cant be fucked with). That was the main point I was making.

      Second to that, where do you come off claiming that you alone hold or speak these ideas. Personally I came to SIN and other sites on the web because I held many of these ideas before I knew you even existed, lol. Is this to say that I am just the whole worlds meme monkey, monkey see monkey do? Lol. BUT YOU DAN, you are all original, the FIRST and the ONLY, my oh my how great you are, what with this grand knowledge you spout. Please. I was doing and saying this shit as a kid, as I hope you were, as is our nature to do, for some of us anyway. You can claim no more credit for your nature and intellect, than you can for your race. Nice try though, you talk a good game, even when its meaningless.

      ~Dan
      Interrogist says: You have something worth while to say man. I just dont dig the way you feel you have to say it, the (comical – as I see it) metaphor you wrap it all in.”
      Dan says: Well I should hope you would think that, seeing as 7/10ths of your shit is a watered down ADM, with the other 3 being straight out of myatts mouth to your fingers. (methodologies? Really? lol). And for that matter, I can see how why you might be steering clear of the word ‘method’ when you call it “your autodiabolic”. Don’t worry though, you aren’t the first person to swing on them.

      ~Interrogist
      7/10ths? Wow, now that’s a big claim. I bet it makes you feel good too. Why don’t you back it up though, by pointing out some of my post that are (watered down) ADM. No seriously, Ill waiting.

      As for Myatt, don’t make me laugh. The guy is full of shit and everyone can see that. You watch as I address specifically that with the whos who of the ONA wordpress team, then call me on copying Myatt. LOL you are too much Dan, what are you smoking?

      ~Dan
      You seem to feel some sense of entitlement that I owe you my time on your terms.

      ~Interrogist
      LOL, which is exactly what I told you two weeks ago on my YouTube channel, lol. Hence the video format commit. But Im copying you? Lol sure… Lay off the herb bro. 😉

      ~Dan
      So I offer you an actual debate, so you can put your interrogist skills in the light for all to see, with the one stipulation that you live up to the words you put up on YOUR OWN BLOG about not being to scared to be in the open about it..you know, come to the face like a man. And here you are trying to spin it like I’m setting some crazy terms. lol
      Anyway, if you ever get over your dehabilitating shyness you know where to find me.

      ~Interrogist
      I am willing to post anything on my blog that is true, even in the event that I were to lose a debate. Im game man. I simply have reason to refrain from posting my face all over the net. Ill be glad to post audio vids, as I have done in the past. Ill even pop into chat if and when I have the time. Im not shy Dan, Im just not going to ruin my career by plastering my face to this passing conversation, in a way that it can be permanently attached to my portfolio. Have a good one man, and if youd like, go ahead and type up that debate, and Ill respond to it as soon as I am able.

      • Sigh. More and more it becomes clear you haven’t actually read much of what I have to say.

        For instance, if you had you would understand that when I say ‘Satanists’ I mean those that do Satanism, and always in the context of the invariable results of the sort of knowledge that brings. I could also say ‘Tennis players hold a racket while they play tennis’ It’s facticity, not groupthink.

        On the ONA vis a vis your shit..cmon now. Atop your blog is written “Order of Nine Angles” decorated with an ONA septagram. Next to it is 913 which is just lympstones callsign turned upside down. How many instances of the word ‘mundane’, ‘kollective’ and ‘magian’, (the first and last generally being used interchangeably) can you find on any one of your writings? You have every nexion you could dig up linked to your wordpress, and an entire section of links devoted to david myatt. Your entire theme revolves around ‘tribes of sinister..err sorry..interrogistic individuals overthrowing the magian ethos populated by mundane followers of that ethos(yes, those words do have different meanings). I’m afraid myatt said all of that long before you came along and changed a couple words around.

        As for your stuff vis a vis ADM..lets see..

        Your core idea is to play adversary to all concepts, and use the metaphorical ‘fire’ to burn away the fluff until ‘the stone’ is reached. Of that, you added the word ‘stone’, the rest I explored ad infinitum, with the first recorded instance of which being my essay ‘The Fire’ (originally titled, “the fires of scrutiny”) published in 2007. The thing is, there is no stone anyway. The fire burns everything if it is hot enough. The difference seems to be only one of foundation..where as you believe in some ultimate ‘rightness'(ala myatt) where as I do not.

        In fact, I would challenge you to produce one concept or idea that is your own, and not liberally borrowed from someone elses shit. I mean, don’t get me wrong..we all have influences, but there is a difference between ‘being influenced by’ and ‘aping’.

        To be fair though, strip all that stuff away and there is one obvious influence left. One guy, with a better way, determined to change the world to his personal vision of what is right. Substitute ‘one guy’ for several billion guys and you should get the picture.

        Anyhow, that about sums that up.

        As per your refusal to debate, and your reasoning that you don’t wish to be exposed to those very ‘mundanes’ you seek to dominate, lets reference your words on the matter.

        “3. The Manifestation…

        Anyone can claim to be a Satanist, or anything else for that matter, but not everyone has the gumption to plant a flag and say, this is what, this is how, this is why, and fuck you if you don’t like it. Identifying with something is one thing, whereas producing, advertising, and enforcing ones Standard is another thing altogether.”

        Not everyone indeed 😉

        Last thing – You responded that Interrogism represents more than just yourself(of course none of them log onto the internet though) when questioned about why you use words like ‘we’ and ‘interrogists’, yet you offered me the position of ‘interrogist2′(lol) in one of your videos. I think the gig is up man 🙂

    • That’a boy Dan, you seem to think that youve knocked this one out of the park, however, it is only now that this is getting anywhere useful. Ill post a reply in by morning. Have a good one man.

      • ~Dan
        Sigh. More and more it becomes clear you haven’t actually read much of what I have to say.

        ~Interrogist
        That’s ok Dan, as it seems that the only people who read much of what you have to say, are those who agree with everything you have ever written. Far be it from me, to point out that while you claim to internalize conflict, while online you seem to surround yourself with easy going yes men that congratulate you for each coming blog post. Lol conflict? How is FS anyway? I’m sorry if I bring a bit of reality to your claim. It’s just my way.

        ~Dan
        For instance, if you had you would understand that when I say ‘Satanists’ I mean those that do Satanism, and always in the context of the invariable results of the sort of knowledge that brings. I could also say ‘Tennis players hold a racket while they play tennis’ it’s facticity, not groupthink.

        ~Interrogist
        Again, I fully realize your point here, and as always I fail to see the necessity in dressing it up as being the devil. Over all, you address nothing more than being a realist with an individuality complex, and state that fantasy never maps out to reality. Doing, or experiencing, will always map to reality, and produce results which equate to a better understanding of, and honest perception of, reality. No need to call that the devil. No need to dress it up at all, and while we are at it, that idea is fully compatible within a pack, or as you call it, groupthink. You inadvertently insist that no good could come of a hive mind. I disagree, we just don’t have any hive mind activity in this age that isn’t also what we might call mundane, but that’s not to say that all forms of human society/organization is contrary to personal development. If you’d like to expand on your views, I’d be interested in your elaborated thoughts on this issue, rather than making assumptions as to your thoughts.

        ~Dan
        On the ONA vis a vis your shit..cmon now. Atop your blog is written “Order of Nine Angles” decorated with an ONA septagram. Next to it is 913 which is just lympstones callsign turned upside down.

        ~Interrogist
        That’s good for lympstone Dan, lol, (913) represents (I.M.) as (I) is the ninth letter of the alphabet and represents (pride), and as (M) is the thirteenth letter of the alphabet and represents the (superstition of bad luck). As I am not superstitious (913 or 9-13 for those of you having a hard time keeping up) the Interrogistic Methodology represents that method by which I place my personal standards over any belief or system or superstitious religion, occult, or Satanism. Try to keep up buddy, and send my regards to lympstone. That is sort of cool though, how it flips over like that.
        Sure, my blog has “Order of Nine Angles” and a septagram on its banner. It also says (ONA – the third degree), and (if you were paying attention) I have stated from the start, that I have no association with the claims of the old school ONA, not to mention that I have always made it clear that I don’t believe in magic rocks, joining hands for sing along’s, or playing space chess. As a matter of fact, you will be hard pressed to find me stating anything under the “banner” of ONA – the third degree, which I was not saying before the whole ONA thing came to my attention. Think about that a while Dan, and you might take some of your own advice and read all of what I have to say, as I have made my intentions quite clear from the beginning, and everything played, and is playing out, just as I thought it would, right down to Chloe claiming that I was on the sour end of a canceled meme monkey contract LMMFAO! You’d be surprised how many p.m.’s and emails I get from the ONA groupie clubs, telling me how they dig my blogs, and what I have to say, also, Chloe, RA, Rounwytha, Sathana, and who the fuck ever, didn’t all come debate me on Correcting the Mythos because what I am saying is pointless. Bless their hearts, they even gave me the secret books and everything, lol.
        Oh and before I forget, how is it that you are trying to play this as though I am sucking the ONA tit, while I injected myself into to ONA, I injected I.M. into the ONA, and adopted some of its language, and do basically what I was doing before my ONA blog, whereas you Dan, ran a got a big Sep tatted on your chest? Don’t get me wrong man, it’s some nice ink, but it’s funny how you excuse yourself from this critic while painting it on your skin permanently, and mocking people who have a Sep on their blog… Might you explain that to me Dan? Seems the pot calls the kettle black.

        ~Dan
        How many instances of the word ‘mundane’, ‘kollective’ and ‘magian’, (the first and last generally being used interchangeably) can you find on any one of your writings? You have every nexion you could dig up linked to your wordpress, and an entire section of links devoted to david myatt. Your entire theme revolves around ‘tribes of sinister..err sorry..interrogistic individuals overthrowing the magian ethos populated by mundane followers of that ethos(yes, those words do have different meanings). I’m afraid myatt said all of that long before you came along and changed a couple words around.

        ~Interrogist
        I’m not sure if you are aware of this Dan, but the terms mundane, collective (with a c or k), and magian, are valid terms in or out of the ONA context. They are also very relevant to the topics which I often address, thus discarding them out of respect, or disrespect, for the ONA would pay the ONA far too great a compliment. On a note of greater depth and importance to our conversation over the past weeks, the terms magian and collective are not at all interchangeable, and yes I have written on this explaining why, and no, you didn’t seem to catch it, because you expect everyone to read you blogs but you don’t read theirs, thus you end up arguing things which they/I have already explained. The requisite correction in this case would be to address that the term collective as I use it is best explained as Association. That’s the second of the five Interrogistic Standards which are based on nothing which you, Myatt, or the ONA has to say. It’s all me buddy bud. If it is the case that someone said these things before I came along, I’m not at all surprised. I am a human being, with a human will, coming after thousands of generations of human beings, many of whom have thought, and acted, as I do now, for many of the same reasons. I’m ok with that Dan, because unlike yourself, I’m not hung up on this whole Satanic IM THE FIRST, THE ONLY, AND THE BEST deal that you have going on. I’m a man with a goal, in a long line of men, with a long list of goals, and all along the way I will plant my ideas in the appropriate paradigm gardens. I’m just more realistic about it, practical you might say.

        ~Dan
        As for your stuff vis a vis ADM..lets see..
        Your core idea is to play adversary to all concepts, and use the metaphorical ‘fire’ to burn away the fluff until ‘the stone’ is reached. Of that, you added the word ‘stone’, the rest I explored ad infinitum, with the first recorded instance of which being my essay ‘The Fire’ (originally titled, “the fires of scrutiny”) published in 2007. The thing is, there is no stone anyway. The fire burns everything if it is hot enough. The difference seems to be only one of foundation..where as you believe in some ultimate ‘rightness’(ala myatt) where as I do not.

        ~Interrogist
        Actually Dan, it would seem that we must be caught up in some perpetual misunderstanding of one another, as that is nothing like the ideas I put forward. It is not my (core idea) to play adversary to all concepts. That would be stupid, not to mention the fact that I have written, even recently, on the topic of how and what to challenge, and why. I have no reason to be adversarial to concepts which concur with my own standard. I am the adversary to those concepts which serve to hinder what would otherwise be a useful paradigm, a useful memeplex such as that of the ONA. The metaphor of the fire represents a very real disdain for illogical and nonsensical beliefs and standards, and my desire to expose and ridicule them. You might also note that I dropped the use of that metaphor quite a while back, and each time I have used it in the past several months, it has been in the context supplementing and expanding the ONA septagram. I bet you don’t get that bit either, do you? LOL. Why would I do something that I detest, unless it was in a mocking manner? As for there being no stone, well, you miss the mark here for sure, but Ill grant you that it may be a personal choice as to how one might actualize the concept of values in that regard, and while I make suggestions and demonstrate the productivity of my value set, I will by no means state that you must adopt them, or that you are wrong for believing otherwise, and that indeed, stone does exist. But you are a Satanist and insist that YOUR FIRE IS THE HOTTEST!!! Like some tired old used car salesman… Whatever floats your boat man. My ideas are not contingent on your accepting them, nor their practicality, on preconceived notions of self-deification. I have never once stated something was ultimately right, only that nonproductive puffery hinders that which is actually progressive. Read it all again, you’ll see it all in grey and white. And by the way man, you have a stone of your own, and your stone is the experience you seek, and you burn away everything in the way of achieving it. That’s you value set, that’s your stone. Why not just own it Dan?

        ~Dan
        In fact, I would challenge you to produce one concept or idea that is your own, and not liberally borrowed from someone else’s shit. I mean, don’t get me wrong..we all have influences, but there is a difference between ‘being influenced by’ and ‘aping’.
        To be fair though, strip all that stuff away and there is one obvious influence left. One guy, with a better way, determined to change the world to his personal vision of what is right. Substitute ‘one guy’ for several billion guys and you should get the picture.

        ~Interrogist

        It is evident that intellect is the determining factor, and not a chosen path, which governs ones understanding pertaining of Interrogistic Memetic transmutation cycles, and so far as I can tell, the Cycle works as thus.
        Knowledge comes via (proxy) and initiates, in most persons, the (Primary Speculation Stage) which pertains to the self, and attempts to validate said input. Those who lack intellect will not be able to Interrogate the (proxy) input, and as thus fail to initiate a profitable (Primary Speculation Stage), and are likely to disregard, or become bound to the meme. The Interrogistic being, however, will merit such intellect, so as to successfully complete the primary (speculation stage), and yield its fruit.
        The result of an Interrogistic (Primary Speculation Stage) will be the evaluation of the proxy input, and determination of merit, pertaining to seeking experience based verification. At this point, the Interrogist may choose to pursue the matter, or drop the matter altogether. Hypotheticals will be considered, and a decision will be made. It’s the ability to make that call, that determines ones participating in, rather than, being bound to, the (IMT) Cycle. The Interrogistic make the meme subject to themselves, whereas the mundane make themselves subject to the meme. Once an Interrogist has properly tested such (proxy) inputs validity, they are able to internalize, and utilize, the most efficient practical application of that knowledge.
        That knowledge being verified, the Interrogistic has yet another opportunity to pursue the matter, or drop the matter altogether. Once again, hypotheticals will be considered, and a decision will be made. If the Interrogist would like, the (Secondary Speculation Stage) can take place, in which he/she is able to participate in, and manipulate the Cycle, by way of repackaging that original proxy input, and making beneficial alterations to the meme. Such alterations may include added information and methodical description, whereby fellow Interrogist are quickened on their path to the same validation, and so too can such alterations include the elimination of crucial details, or the addition of false information, that the meme become detrimental to the mundane. After such alterations have been made, it is only a matter of redistribution.
        This is where the Interrogist lives, outside of the useless boundaries of good/evil, right/wrong, or god/Satan. Anities and isms point out where the mundane have become stuck in the (IMT) Cycle, and to the Interrogist, point where to attack. That’s the very root of hacking the (IMT) Cycle, and reprogramming social memetics to one’s own advantage. (Proxy) input = validation = (Proxy) output, and as your output is another’s (Proxy) input, the cycle is rather indefinite.
        The path of the Interrogist has no dualities, as Interrogist are quite simply entrepreneurial opportunist,

        The Interrogistic Standard:
        1. Liberation
        2. Association
        3. Manifestation
        4. Establishment
        5. Transcendence

        1. The Liberation…
        Skeptical, Critical, and Rational thinking, are not possible or simultaneously compatible with delusion, thus, the foremost Interrogistic goal is the eradication of all ill-logic, in one’s self and in others, as well as the dishonor accompanied by compliance with the standards set forth by institutions of religious, political, or cultural domestication. Subjectivity must be recognized in every case whereas standards are held that are not personally codified or, at least, mindfully integrated. This recognition is at the core of liberation from domestication and delusion.
        2. The Association…
        Where a kollective is missing, lasting progression is also missing, as movements and ideas are not subject to the human life span. Humans are, however, and as thus any lasting change, any lasting progress, is only possible collectively. Indeed, No personal progression is relevant, which does not lend itself to the overall aeonic progression of the goals of one’s collective. All (personal, individual, and local) ideologies have no effect on humanity, and simply holding an opinion or title of (individual, elitist, or Satanist) is pointless and fruitless. Associating oneself with likeminded people with similar goals demonstrates the second Interrogistic Standard of Association, its productivity, and thus the necessity of its use.
        3. The Manifestation…
        The third tenet of the Interrogist Standard is to presence new thinking (memes), or to utilized the manifestations (memes) of others, and to offer them (mutate them for) to mundane paradigms, that Interrogistic standards be adopted. Interrogist promote the standards of change. Interrogist manifest change in reality by altering paradigms, by exposing falsehoods therein, by exposing them as being mundane and/or primitive. The necessity and use of the third standard of Manifestation demonstrates the striking difference between the mundane and their ‘claims’ from the Interrogistic and their codification of standards and goals, and ‘leading by example’ the permanence of their will in reality, by actually omitting and/or replacing that which they label mundane, with something which better suits their will for/in reality, and producing it publicly.
        4. The Establishment…
        Establishment is the tail end of an Interrogistic movement, and may be thought of as the flip side of Association. Whereas the association can be thought of as the gathering of the needed supplies, such as the standard, the goals, and the people, so as to build an Interrogistic movement, one might think of Establishment as being the foundation on which the movement was built. Establishment implies that after a number of months or years, the movement in question is graduated to self-sufficiency, and is sure to maintain its standards well into the future and after your death. That is the underlying goal, within all Interrogistic goals, to last throughout the generations, and to continue altering reality with exponential influence. Any movement which does not become established before the death of it producer, dies with its producer, and was therefore irrelevant. Thus the necessity of establishment within the Interrogist Framework.
        5. The Transcendence…
        If one is able to mature their movement to the level of establishment quickly, it may be said that one has Transcended the movement, as ones constant attention is not needed for it to continue functionality. Transcendence allows one to move on to codify other standards, to Interrogate other aspects of current limitations in liberty and knowledge, thus designing another movement to produce Liberation, Association, Manifestation, Establishment, and Transcendence in other aspect of reality, other paradigms, so as to destroy mundanity in those aspects of reality.
        So there you have it Dan. Next?

        ~Dan
        Anyhow, that about sums that up.
        As per your refusal to debate, and your reasoning that you don’t wish to be exposed to those very ‘mundanes’ you seek to dominate, lets reference your words on the matter.

        ~Interrogist
        Lol. Yeah Dan I’m refusing to debate you, that’s why I’m taking the time out of my busy day to have a chat with you now. You haven’t offered me a challenge yet, that I haven’t accepted. It sure is cute how you so desperately seek to make it seem as though I have. And if you now aim to mock the fact that I’m seeking a position in the television industry, well, mock away. I’ll keep in mind all those talks about memetics that we had on SIN chat, when I’m accepting my Masters in Mass Communications. Lol. You want to know what the biggest difference in you and I is Dan? You are at the top of your game, and I, well, I’m just getting started. Don’t get me wrong though, WordPress needs you guys. 😉

        ~Dan
        “3. The Manifestation…
        Anyone can claim to be a Satanist, or anything else for that matter, but not everyone has the gumption to plant a flag and say, this is what, this is how, this is why, and fuck you if you don’t like it. Identifying with something is one thing, whereas producing, advertising, and enforcing ones Standard is another thing altogether.”
        Not everyone indeed

        ~Interrogist
        See above statement.

        ~Dan
        Last thing – You responded that Interrogism represents more than just yourself(of course none of them log onto the internet though) when questioned about why you use words like ‘we’ and ‘interrogists’, yet you offered me the position of ‘interrogist2′(lol) in one of your videos. I think the gig is up man

        ~Interrogist
        (Interrogisma) includes an invitation to anyone and everyone, to internalize these standards and use them to embody I.M.913 or to manifest in their own manner these standards as they are able in their own way. I alone produce I.M.913 WordPress, and while I have a handful of personal associates that I call my own, they don’t necessarily have 913 nametags, but it means the same to me, lol. That list gets shorter every year, but you feel me if you come from a hood like mine. You just might, so Ill jive you the benefit of the doubt. All in all, this is the net Dan. Can you honestly say that you get up every day and gather you minions for big Satanic ADM rallies? LOL. Do they all pull up in gangstafied dogsleds and add targets to the ADM bulletin board? The gig is up for sure. You hit the nail on the head man. LMMFAO. This is fucking wordpress, and you might notice that I refrain from making claims about (doing) as they can’t be proven online, now can they? I express that which can be offered by this medium, and that is concept, intellect, standards, and value sets, and their application and practicality when manipulating reality to your own will. That’s my gig man , that’s the I.M. 913 gig, the ONA can dig it or no, you can dig it or no, anyone can dig it or no… You see?
        Many people share my sentiment Dan. You yourself share aspects of it. It is in this context that I say we, and in the context that my blogs are an invitation to my point of view, I’m just honest about it. Every day I’m being messaged by ONA guys and random strangers who dig my blog.
        That position of Interrogist 2 is always open to you man. As far as I’m concerned, that seat is taken. 😉

        May your mind be stripped of religion, May your wrist be stripped of politics, May your voice be stripped of culture,

        I.M.913

        Interrogist 1

      • Wow, did you really just drop that novellette up there?

        Heh

        You are right when you say ‘now we are getting somewhere’ though, because it seems it’s been boiled down to its base elements here..at least as far as I can tell.

        You ask, and ask, and ask..why Satan?(even though I write at length on just that) Among other things, the why is because it’s an effective vehicle to transmit something beyond just words. The primal scream, the chill up the spine..things that can only be hinted at and intimated with language. There is much more to this than ‘being a realist’ Because reality is largely interpretive, more than ‘individuality’ because every single person on earth is ‘an individual’. ‘Individualism’ a vacuous concept. I’m afraid you are swinging at air again:)

        Anyhow, the baseline as far as I can tell can be illustrated in the interrogistic transmutation whatever that you cut and pasted. All of those words and I had to read it twice to take anything at all from it, that being that you endeavor to use memes rather than have them use you. Ok then, if that is your intellectual contribution, I’ll let you have it..even though pretty much everyone said THAT first.

        If I am mistaken, and you really do have something good in that word salad, perhaps you can break it down to something more concise? The bad grammar and random out of place parenthesis don’t exactly help either.

        Frankly your writing is a bit of a mess man. 🙂

        As per this debate thing, the whole reason I insist it be to the face is because if you can not live up to your own words, you know the ones I posted vis a vis having the balls to be up front and open about what you have to say, then why should I bother with an ‘internet interrogist’? That you are only this ‘anonymously’ for fear of ruining your ‘mundane’ opportunities, how can I, or anyone, take you seriously?

    • ~Dan
      Wow, did you really just drop that novelette up there?
      Heh

      ~Interrogist
      Did I answer your questions? Yes I did.

      ~Dan
      You are right when you say ‘now we are getting somewhere’ though, because it seems it’s been boiled down to its base elements here..at least as far as I can tell.

      ~Interrogist
      Indeed, That’s what I like to strive for from the start, but it’s not usually that easy to come to a productive conversation.

      ~Dan
      You ask, and ask, and ask..why Satan?(even though I write at length on just that) Among other things, the why is because it’s an effective vehicle to transmit something beyond just words. The primal scream, the chill up the spine. Things that can only be hinted at and intimated with language.

      ~Interrogist
      I would address here, that the term ‘effective’ may be brought into question. I’m not ignoring your answer, so much as disagreeing with it, mind you, your statement in understood. What I now address is that using such terminology will inadvertently place non Satanic paradigms on a sort of life support. I cannot see that such a metaphor could be used outside the context of those people who buy into said paradigms. Why would you address atheist with Satan, why would you address Islamic people with a metaphor pertaining to Thor? Over all I can easily divide this system of expression into two halves of theistic and atheistic. The theistic half offers a thousands of belief systems, all of which are the only TRUE one, and the atheistic half sees no reason to partake in completely unevidenced beliefs. Over all I recognize you as being, so far as I know, an atheist who, for poetic reasons, offers an atheistic sentiment, dressed in theistic clothing. I get what you are doing, I just think it’s silly, as this primal scream, this chill up the spine, is what you must now define, if I am to see any value in your expression whatsoever. What about this primal scream is limited to the metaphor of the religious concept of Satan, what is it about the human spine, that it cannot be chilled without the use of said metaphor? It is my assertion that all of these characteristics are human, and expresses themselves, demonstrate themselves. You even did as much yourself when you called them the primal scream, and spine chills rather than calling them the devil. Horror films do this every day, and have done so since the technology existed, and before then, books did the same. It is my assertion that Satan is but one character in one book, which approaches this induction of human emotion. If any use for this metaphorical life support of Satan can be found, it must be found in its practical use in breaking standards laid out by those with godly restrictions, which I also assert, includes such metaphorical thinking, instead of methodological naturalism. So you see Dan, I’m not simply mocking your choice, I’m questioning the practicality of its use in respect to its overall goal. If you aim to exist outside of the “godly paradigm”, I suggest that you refrain from placing yourself squarely in that playing field, by targeting that particular audience with your message. I do hope you notice that at least one of your readers expresses a rather theistic Satanic sentiment, but I’ll only assign you partial blame, as you are not responsible for their beliefs, but you are responsible for advertising in a way that attracted their belief to your blog. I’m sure you understand my point.

      ~Dan
      There is much more to this than ‘being a realist’ Because reality is largely interpretive, more than ‘individuality’ because every single person on earth is ‘an individual’. ‘Individualism’ a vacuous concept. I’m afraid you are swinging at air again:)

      ~Interrogist
      That’s a big claim Dan, that reality is interpretive! How might you elaborate on that position? As for individuality, I use the term loosely, as I reject the concept altogether. No individuality exists. Everything and everyone on this planet exist as an effect of something, or a cause of something, or both. Everything exists within ecology, and works together to affect the overall system. I invite you to show me an example of anyone actually being an individual. I think that we can both agree that individuality is special pleading which equates to ‘iwanabespecialism’. We are all plugged in Dan, it’s just that some of us can’t cope with that fact, some of us can. Reality my dear Satanist, makes exceptions for no one, thus my curiosity at your claim to it’s interpretively.

      ~Dan
      Anyhow, the baseline as far as I can tell can be illustrated in the interrogistic transmutation whatever that you cut and pasted. All of those words and I had to read it twice to take anything at all from it, that being that you endeavor to use memes rather than have them use you. Ok then, if that is your intellectual contribution, I’ll let you have it..even though pretty much everyone said THAT first.

      ~Interrogist
      You mean that portion that I copied and pasted from my own blog? Sure. Again you seem to think that I am hung up on this whole gig of being the first, the best, the only, and whatever else. That’s all you bud. As I said before, their exist nothing new under the sun. It’s all been done and said to varying degrees of success and productivity. Yes, even your whole ADM, it’s been done and said under different titles, give or take this or that concept. I’m not hung up on that issue at all. I seek to do my thing to the best of my ability, extending that ability to others that are intellectually equipped so as to ‘get it’ and ‘do it’. I have no problem with the fact that someone else has said this before, and I have said from the beginning that my major issue lies in the method used by others to get their point across, their packaging, their metaphor, their fluff, if you will. It is the stripping of that fluff, the stripping of that metaphor, from utilizing what I call the (it) cycle, that I address. My gig had never been that I am doing something which has never been done, or saying something that has never been said. So on that note, you are the one arguing with yourself. I’ve made my case clearly from the start.

      ~Dan
      If I am mistaken, and you really do have something good in that word salad, perhaps you can break it down to something more concise? The bad grammar and random out of place parenthesis don’t exactly help either. Frankly your writing is a bit of a mess man. 🙂

      ~Interrogist
      Sure. My current WordPress blog is structured around a set of ideas which address issues relevant to this stage in the development of mankind. I state that the most important issue to be grappled with is memetic, false belief systems which distort valid perceptions of reality. I state that my goal and method is to intercept these memes, that I make them subject to myself, rather than being subject to them. I address my place in the world, having no misgivings (iwanabespecialism, I believe you’d call it) about that position. I address how this is possible, and I address the benefit of doing so. I follow this with an invitation to others to utilize such methods. From that point I address specific paradigms such as Satanism and the ONA, and I offer my take on how such systems productivity would benefit from stripping away the fluff in question.

      Writing is not my strong point Dan, and that’s why I’m going to do my thing in film. Anything else I can clear up for you?

      ~Dan
      As per this debate thing, the whole reason I insist it be to the face is because if you cannot live up to your own words, you know the ones I posted vis a vis having the balls to be up front and open about what you have to say, then why should I bother with an ‘internet interrogist’? That you are only this ‘anonymously’ for fear of ruining your ‘mundane’ opportunities, how can I, or anyone, take you seriously?

      ~Interrogist
      I’m living up to my words in a greater capacity than most ever do, Dan. I fear nothing, and the opportunities before me are anything but mundane. It’s cute to see you act like the ONA on that note though, as on the one hand you advocate the breaking of standards, and on the other hand insist that anyone doing so is mundane or mindfucked, lol. That always makes me laugh. Enjoy your day job buddy, and hell, flip on the old TV set from time to time. Keep an eye out for those pesky scientific documentaries. Look closely at the credits over the coming years. You’ll see me there… You know, actually DOING what I claim with words, and actually INFLUENCING the minds of others, DEMONSTRAETING that observation of reality is superior to archaic belief systems and their lingering metaphorical bullshit. Enjoy that Dan. I will return the favor, and from time to time, between shoots, Ill drop by SIN and see how you are doing. Your keep it real buddy, I’m off to mundane land again, or as we call it here, college.

      • Ahh, but I am reaching my intended audience. Have you given much thought to who yours is?

        I wonder how long it would take me to find a subculture of ‘interrogists’ to implant my sinister Satanic memetics? I’m thinking I would have to pack a big lunch for that undertaking. 😉

        After all, didn’t we meet on an interrogistic network, in an interrogistic themed chat? People sure do flock far and wide to those things.

        Anyhow, stay ‘safe’. I’ll be here, right out in the open, doing my thing.

      • ~Dan
        Ahh, but I am reaching my intended audience. Have you given much thought to who yours is?

        ~Interrogist
        I have indeed, however, It will take me a few years to position myself properly, so as to reach them. My goals are a bit more difficult to achieve than simply creating a new account Dan, lol.
        Like I said before, which you simply ignored, what value does your word have in the instance that you speak it to those who only agree with you? You claim to thrive on conflict, but you only spout your blogs at a Satanic audience. Conflict my ass.
        Correct me if I’m wrong man, I’d love to see where you are directly challenging religious people or political people or cultural people with whom you disagree. As a matter of fact Ill borrow from the language used in your latest blog, and ask that you describe the latest religious, political, or cultural TARGET which you have laid WASTE to! Show me the evidence for Dan Dread vs. The Bulk of Modern Belief. I’m yet to see that. I do my thing in the heart of religious America, debating religious idiots on a daily basses, and where I now collect a skill set to position myself in the radio and television industry so as to broadcast my views across the world. Have you? Or do you go to a job where everyone accepts you for who you are, and then come home and log in to a web site where everyone tends to agree with everything you say? Like I said man, conflict my ass.
        What you don’t seem to get is the simple fact that Everyone is my intended audience. 😉

        ~Dan
        I wonder how long it would take me to find a subculture of ‘interrogists’ to implant my sinister Satanic memetics? I’m thinking I would have to pack a big lunch for that undertaking. 😉 After all, didn’t we meet on an interrogistic network, in an interrogistic themed chat? People sure do flock far and wide to those things.

        ~Interrogist
        That’s cute Dan, real cute, only my memetics are not at all Satanic. This you well know, but hey, you managed to post a reply that ignored 90% of what I said above, and you got to say the word (Satan) again! That’s got to be worth something. Right?
        Think back to when we met on SIN. When did I ever call myself a Satanist? I have utilized the Interrogist title from way back when, as that is what I do, on Satanic networks, on Christian networks, on Scientific networks, on Atheistic networks. That’s one of those differences between us man, I don’t alter myself so as to (fit in), it’s just really not my thing. In the event that people don’t like my deal, well, my deal keeps on keeping on as Interrogist 1. In the event that Interrogist 3 never comes along, I’ll still be Interrogist 1, and 2 is a seat that is always open to you my Canadian friend. 😉

        ~Dan
        Anyhow, stay ‘safe’. I’ll be here, right out in the open, doing my thing.

        ~Interrogist
        Safe? LMMFAO? What? Ok bud I’ll do that. You too man. I’d hate to hear that someone hurt your feelings on the internet, right out there in the open, aka (on SIN and WordPress), lol.

      • Sorry if I didn’t address every word of all of your posts..you do tend to ramble on..and on..and on..my time is limited but I have tried to get down to the meat and potatoes. So far your entire case here can be boiled down to, “I don’t like the word Satan”. Ok, I get it. There is only so many ways I can reply to that.

        On to the points –

        1:I have been classifying myself as Satanist for well over 20 years now, so your comment about how I ‘alter myself to fit in’ is a bit strange. I’ve been representing the same shit since before you grew your first pubic hair. Especially ironic is that you make these comments while a little over a year ago you called yourself ‘atheist’, and after hitting sin there was a time you felt ok with the label ‘Satanist'(I believe your reasoning was “everywhere you go people that you agree with tend to lump you in with them, so why fight it”), then you latched on to ONA stuff shortly after being exposed to it(remember when I called you on that blog chloe352 wrote you cut/pasted onto your SIN profile without attributing authorship to her?),
        and before that, a ‘baptist youth minister'(strangely absent from your ‘about me’ blog on your wordpress..hmm). Alrighty then.

        2:You are being disingenuous when you claim that Satanism manifest online is some big head nodding affair. You know better. Agreeance is in VERY short supply

        As for the reactions I get to my stuff, well..I can’t help it if I’m a good writer and my shit hits home with a lot of people. Maybe you should take some notes? 🙂

        3:As per ‘laying waste’, your question betrays a lack of understanding into something very basic about Satanism, at least as I and those like me understand it. There is no impetus to change the world. The idea of a broken world in need of repair is for the christians, muslims(interrogists?) and such. Laying waste is something done for internal effect, destroying ideas and concepts to such a degree that they are dead. It seems an effort in futility to try to change the minds of others..again, that’s for those other fellas. I find beauty in the world as it is and see nothing in need of repair.

        But if that seems too vague, I have personally shucked myself of the ideas of collective authority, religion, atheism, superstition, ‘the greater good’, unity, ‘crime’, and most importantly, chasing the carrot and fearing the stick(wink). That’s just a drop in the bucket, man..the list could go on forever and the bodies keep piling up.

        3:You missed my point about the lack of interrogistic networks. Yes, we met at a ‘Satanic’ network..because you, as many many others, were attracted to that banner, and despite your boner for the S word, here you still are..talking to a Satanist, on a Satanic blog, that you met on a Satanic network. I’m thinking the vast majority of people that have heard of your shit came by proxy of this very satanic subculture you ineffectually rally against. Odd, isn’t it?

        4:Being disingenuous isn’t good rhetoric. We both know you invented your interrogistic stuff well after you came onto THIS scene, what, a year and a half ago.. (and THAT looked quite a lot different than what you are doing now)seemingly as a reaction for your disdain for the S word. Remember that epic thread on 600c where you tried to defend the idea that you had something novel to offer? That didn’t go too well did it? 😛

        5: You front like you want to infect the world around you with this interrogistic stuff, yet you fear to attach your face to this thing you claim to represent in real life? I can only imagine there would be some confused stares when you tried to explain what that word is supposed to mean, but other than that it just bleeds through as play acting. You are worried that representing ‘here’ this thing you claim to represent for real will ruin your chances becoming a famous actor or film maker or some such because you are taking some drama classes at your local community college? Seriously, I wouldn’t worry too hard about that. About half the employees at burger king have one of those degrees in their wallet.

        And lastly, I do what I do here, there, everywhere..my face is all over the web, my tats(that I don’t even need to retcon meaning for) are right out in the open wherever I go. I don’t shy from what I am or what I’m about for anyone. Sure this might inhibit some opportunities to chase the carrot, but I don’t like carrots anyway.

        Yes, it is indeed staying safe to hide in the shadows, and painfully ironic when you offer the sort of big talk that runs contra to that all over your blog.

        I think that’s everything. Care to wiggle any further, or shall we wrap this up?

    • ~Dan
      Sorry if I didn’t address every word of all of your posts..you do tend to ramble on..and on..and on..my time is limited but I have tried to get down to the meat and potatoes.

      ~Interrogist
      If by try, you mean ignored most of what I said, and by meat and potatoes, you mean offer no substantial reply, well sure.

      ~Dan
      So far your entire case here can be boiled down to, “I don’t like the word Satan”. Ok, I get it. There is only so many ways I can reply to that.

      ~Interrogist
      No Dan, in that you are arguing with yourself. I made an actual case for the ill-advised use of such metaphor. That’s one aspect of my previous post which you conveniently ignored, thus I will reproduce it for you. As I said before:
      I would address here, that the term ‘effective’ may be brought into question. I’m not ignoring your answer, so much as disagreeing with it, mind you, your statement in understood. What I now address is that using such terminology will inadvertently place non Satanic paradigms on a sort of life support. I cannot see that such a metaphor could be used outside the context of those people who buy into said paradigms. Why would you address atheist with Satan, why would you address Islamic people with a metaphor pertaining to Thor? Over all I can easily divide this system of expression into two halves of theistic and atheistic. The theistic half offers thousands of belief systems, all of which are the only TRUE one, and the atheistic half sees no reason to partake in completely unevidenced beliefs. Over all I recognize you as being, so far as I know, an atheist who, for poetic reasons, offers an atheistic sentiment, dressed in theistic clothing. I get what you are doing, I just think it’s silly, as this primal scream, this chill up the spine, is what you must now define, if I am to see any value in your expression whatsoever. What about this primal scream is limited to the metaphor of the religious concept of Satan, what is it about the human spine, that it cannot be chilled without the use of said metaphor? It is my assertion that all of these characteristics are human, and expresses themselves, demonstrate themselves. You even did as much yourself when you called them the primal scream, and spine chills rather than calling them the devil. Horror films do this every day, and have done so since the technology existed, and before then, books did the same. It is my assertion that Satan is but one character in one book, which approaches this induction of human emotion. If any use for this metaphorical life support of Satan can be found, it must be found in its practical use in breaking standards laid out by those with godly restrictions, which I also assert, includes such metaphorical thinking, instead of methodological naturalism. So you see Dan, I’m not simply mocking your choice, I’m questioning the practicality of its use in respect to its overall goal. If you aim to exist outside of the “godly paradigm”, I suggest that you refrain from placing yourself squarely in that playing field, by targeting that particular audience with your message. I do hope you notice that at least one of your readers expresses a rather theistic Satanic sentiment, but I’ll only assign you partial blame, as you are not responsible for their beliefs, but you are responsible for advertising in a way that attracted their belief to your blog. I’m sure you understand my point.

      ~Dan
      On to the points –
      1:I have been classifying myself as Satanist for well over 20 years now, so your comment about how I ‘alter myself to fit in’ is a bit strange. I’ve been representing the same shit since before you grew your first pubic hair.

      ~Interrogist
      Should I be impressed with such childish language Dan? We are hardly more than two or three years different in age. You might dial that back a bit there grandpa. I have the good sense to realize that as young men in our thirties, we are young enough to have more knowledge ahead of us, than behind. Thinking that you have everything all figured out is usually a good sign that you still don’t get it, it being life in general. Aside from that, your claim to representing Satanism twenty years ago is laughable for two reasons. The first reason being that Satanism was a more powerful tool twenty years ago than today. Most Satanist fail to recognize their own success however, and therefore insist on using tools designed for yesteryears issues. No, those issues and not gone, but the method of Satanic shock value died long ago, in the eighties I’d say. Now it’s just a sad cliché at best. The second reason is simply that I’d expect the use of such metaphor from a kid that is ten or fifteen year’s old, lol. Ten year olds of our breed are dead in the center of that stage of intellectual development, thus naturally one should expect to see a kid coming to realize domestication, shunning the vehicles of domestication. In the event that you find them twenty years later, in their thirties, doing the same thing and calling it original or whatever, is well, stagnation to say the least.

      ~Dan
      Especially ironic is that you make these comments while a little over a year ago you called yourself ‘atheist’, and after hitting sin there was a time you felt ok with the label ‘Satanist’(I believe your reasoning was “everywhere you go people that you agree with tend to lump you in with them, so why fight it”),

      ~Interrogist
      Nice bit of exaggerated half-truths there Dan. What I said was simply that wherever I go (When I have conversations with people of greater than usual intellect, those people tend to associate me with their titles). That bit you added about me saying (so why fight it) is patently dishonest. I at no point stated that I was ok with any title. You are welcome to offer us all a link if you’d care to back up your claim however. I’ll keep an eye out for that 😉 As far as calling myself an atheist, I am, and so are you. Atheist is not a title, so much as it is a standard. That standard states ONLY that someone rejects the claims that gods exist. The term atheist in no way states what the atheist in question does believe. Thus while I am an atheist, it’s not a title I choose to wear, as what I do believe is much more important than what I do not believe. If you are looking for something ironic Dan, notice that my major beef is that I believe in a better way of knowing, than the theistic bullshit and its lingering metaphorical bullshit we have today. Think about it man.

      ~Dan
      then you latched on to ONA stuff shortly after being exposed to it(remember when I called you on that blog chloe352 wrote you cut/pasted onto your SIN profile without attributing authorship to her?),

      ~Interrogist
      If by latched on you mean, that I recognized something valuable in the ONA paradigm that has a likeness to my own ideology, sure. I am more than willing to reproduce ONA content on my own blogs, but before you go calling me a groupie, or as they call it nut swinger, you might also notice that I also have no problem calling bullshit on those aspects of the ONA paradigm with which I disagree. Chloe and pals know this rather well, and if you remember clearly, once it was addressed that I did not source that blog, I did go back and do so. You seemed to jump on it as though I had signed the damn thing with my own name, which no one, at any time, suspected whatsoever.

      ~Dan
      and before that, a ‘baptist youth minister’(strangely absent from your ‘about me’ blog on your wordpress..hmm). Alrighty then.

      ~Interrogist
      You will have to refresh my memory on that one man. Baptist youth minister? Wtf? Lol.

      ~Dan
      2:You are being disingenuous when you claim that Satanism manifest online is some big head nodding affair. You know better. Agreeance is in VERY short supply.

      ~Interrogist
      Yes and no. It is not my goal to be disingenuous here, so let me clarify. When I addressed head nodding in my prior post, it was my intent to address only that when you do your thing on SIN, it is not likely that many will disagree with you, as the better part of the SIN population (which are intellectually relevant) agree with your offered sentiment. Now that’s not a bad thing in itself. People often seek their own, as is human nature. What I want to draw your attention to is simply the fact that, claiming conflict to an audience that you can be sure will agree with you is, frankly, silly. I’m addressing that I am unaware of any accounts you may have which focus on actually challenging people of other beliefs/standards. I will give you credit for standing your own when others come to you, but you are still left with the fact that they are the aggressors, and not yourself. They are bringing you the conflict, for which you take credit, and then calling me disingenuous. Sure, you can claim that you do conflict in the real, as can I, however, while I assume that you do in fact manifest in the real, and I know that I do, on the net it can’t be known, thus such claims are pointless. On the net, your conflict must be intellectually transmutable in this medium, and the conflict you offer, you are offering to mostly approving readers. I’m sure you understand my point.

      ~Dan
      As for the reactions I get to my stuff, well..I can’t help it if I’m a good writer and my shit hits home with a lot of people. Maybe you should take some notes? 🙂

      ~Interrogist
      You mean all those people that agree with you before you ever start to write? Yeah I’ll pass on those notes man.

      ~Dan
      3:As per ‘laying waste’, your question betrays a lack of understanding into something very basic about Satanism, at least as I and those like me understand it. There is no impetus to change the world. The idea of a broken world in need of repair is for the christians, muslims(interrogists?) and such. Laying waste is something done for internal effect, destroying ideas and concepts to such a degree that they are dead. It seems an effort in futility to try to change the minds of others..again, that’s for those other fellas. I find beauty in the world as it is and see nothing in need of repair.

      ~Interrogist
      My understanding is greater than you are willing to admit Dan. You seem to be hung up on some idea that everyone who understands Satanism is a Satanist, as if to say that anyone who is not a Satanist, is not a Satanist simply because they cannot understand Satanism. That idea is in fact bullshit. I understand Satanism just fine, all thousand versions of it, I simply disagree with it in general, and agree with aspects which are not attached to metaphorical theism, thus calling those aspects the devil is stupid. You also fail to realize that I am able to argue any aspect of your belief without being bound to the rest of it. I do not state that Satanism includes an impetus to change the world, I’m saying that it fails, simply because it does not. I also address that change in the world is not the same as viewing the world as being broken. That is a failed Satanic concept in itself. I seek not to change that which is broken, but to participate in the continuing evolution of that which is always, and always has been changing. What your Satanic philosophy fails to realize is that no personal (internal effect as you try to call it) change is possible as you are an aspect of the bigger picture, and when you change yourself, you also change that overall picture Dan. Being antisocial in no way removes you from society. It merely relocates you, and your views. You are moving around, not moving out. Changing yourself changes everyone, as no individual is that important to the whole, and you know this as well as I do, thus you address the public to effect grater change. Only I seem to admit it though, as I’m not hung up on myself.

      ~Dan
      But if that seems too vague, I have personally shucked myself of the ideas of collective authority, religion, atheism, superstition, ‘the greater good’, unity, ‘crime’, and most importantly, chasing the carrot and fearing the stick(wink). That’s just a drop in the bucket, man..the list could go on forever and the bodies keep piling up.

      ~Interrogist
      You reject collective authority, but you post blogs which aim to influence a collective of your choice? You reject religion, but you wrap you whole gig in archaic Abrahamic metaphorical bullshit? You reject atheism, but you have no gods? You reject the concept of a greater good, but you strive for an (internal effect) that promotes personal experience which elevates you above the rest? Sure Dan, that’s all perfectly logical man.
      The cutest part of your statement is that you have latched on to mocking my long term goals in the film industry, for whatever reason. You equate pursuing ones goals to chasing the carrot, but I’m unable to see any humor in that, as possessing the carrot is only possible after pursuing it. Do I seek wealth? Sure. Do I seek fame? Sure! Why not? Lol. Do I seek status? Fuck yeah. I’m am seeking out that skill set which equips me so as to possess my goals in terms of radio and television. What’s funny about that? You can mock that carrot all you like, but in the end, I’ll be holding the stick, and that’s what you don’t seem to get. Satanist can do their thing, and that’s all good, but you can bet your ass that anyone on SIN who can back up their claims, can also back up their success with a relevant education. Mindfux has an education right? And Pup is a student. What about Dark Ryder, and Jason King, and XiaoGui17, and Conarymor, and while I’m not sure what level it was on, Beastxeno just went to school to be a tatt artist right? He was an artist beforehand, but that paper validates one’s ability in the real world Dan. But I guess all of these guys and gals are just chasing the carrot along with me right? Do you mock all of these guys too? My field is Broadcasting and Production Technology, and I have no shame in that whatsoever. What’s your field again Dan?

      ~Dan
      3:You missed my point about the lack of interrogistic networks. Yes, we met at a ‘Satanic’ network..because you, as many many others, were attracted to that banner, and despite your boner for the S word, here you still are..talking to a Satanist, on a Satanic blog, that you met on a Satanic network. I’m thinking the vast majority of people that have heard of your shit came by proxy of this very satanic subculture you ineffectually rally against. Odd, isn’t it?

      ~Interrogist
      You are mistaken again Dan. I was not attracted to the banner at all, as I have written, I am attracted to the people and some of the concepts held by people, which I share, calling themselves by such a silly title. Come on Dan, I have been saying that from the beginning. I don’t have a boner for the word Satan, I think it’s silly. You prove my point to the umpteenth degree, lol, as yes, everyone relevant to you has seen I.M. via proxy of a very Satanic subculture which I rally against because that is the subculture I injected it into.

      ~Dan
      4:Being disingenuous isn’t good rhetoric. We both know you invented your interrogistic stuff well after you came onto THIS scene, what, a year and a half ago.. (and THAT looked quite a lot different than what you are doing now)seemingly as a reaction for your disdain for the S word. Remember that epic thread on 600c where you tried to defend the idea that you had something novel to offer? That didn’t go too well did it? 😛

      ~Interrogist
      First of all I didn’t invent anything, as I am honest enough to realize that nothing new exist under the sun. I interrogate paradigms and philosophies now, as I always have, and it is my method to extract practicality, and reject superstition. That has always been my gig. You are welcome to address what differences you speak of, but it will only reinforce my standards, as I am also honest enough to alter my standards with the addition of new information. In the event that you lock yourself in, and reject change at all cost, you have achieved nothing more than stagnation, or as you call it Satanism. You again attempt to spread this lie that I came along with the claim that I have this great and novel thing to offer. That has never been my claim at all man. I simply inject my thoughts into the paradigms of others, and they cry about it. It went as well as it should have, and people are still talking about it today. When was that posted anyway?

      ~Dan
      5: You front like you want to infect the world around you with this interrogistic stuff, yet you fear to attach your face to this thing you claim to represent in real life? I can only imagine there would be some confused stares when you tried to explain what that word is supposed to mean, but other than that it just bleeds through as play acting. You are worried that representing ‘here’ this thing you claim to represent for real will ruin your chances becoming a famous actor or film maker or some such because you are taking some drama classes at your local community college? Seriously, I wouldn’t worry too hard about that. About half the employees at burger king have one of those degrees in their wallet.

      ~Interrogist
      Again with this nonsensical fear claim. It is not fear Dan, it’s called reason. I am here right now talking with you about any and every topic, am I not? How am I play acting when the reality of the matter is that I am seeking out that skill set which will equip me so as to publish my opinions on the professional level, and to more than a couple of websites? Lol. I have no goal of being an actor, lol. What the hell are you smoking? Lol. What you call a drama class is actually a Broadcasting and Production Tech degree, followed by an Advertising and Graphical Design degree, followed by University where I’ll continue to pile on the skills which enable me. Am I going to fuck that up by plastering my face all over this teenybopper web bullshit? Hell no, lmmfao. What you call being in the real, I call free time between classes, or something to do when I am board as hell. You won’t find me in your local Burger King buddy, unless I’m having a bit to eat. 😉

      ~Dan
      And lastly, I do what I do here, there, everywhere..my face is all over the web, my tats(that I don’t even need to retcon meaning for) are right out in the open wherever I go. I don’t shy from what I am or what I’m about for anyone. Sure this might inhibit some opportunities to chase the carrot, but I don’t like carrots anyway.

      ~Interrogist
      What a copout that is Dan. Sure, you just don’t want to be rich, or well known, or to travel the world. I totally believe you man. It’s kind of like when you have had just so much head, and you are begging these crazy bitches to pleas just leave your dick alone. It’s like when you have eaten so much lobster and you just want to live on saltine crackers for a while. It’s like when the big nice cars are too flashy, and you’d rather just drive a piece of shit for a while. You ever listen to Billy Idol, Dan? Out there is a fortune waiting to be had… How does the rest of it go? You get out of life what you put in man.

      ~Dan
      Yes, it is indeed staying safe to hide in the shadows, and painfully ironic when you offer the sort of big talk that runs contra to that all over your blog. I think that’s everything. Care to wiggle any further, or shall we wrap this up?

      ~Interrogist
      I’m right here buddy bud, and my talk stands on its own. That’s not nearly everything however, and this will never be wrapped up as long as I’m around, and people make sill statements about the occult and Satanism. Look at the bright side though, you can always just ignore my like Chloe does. That’s how she knows she is right. She just refuses to talk about it, lol. Have a good one Dan. I’ll be back around Monday.

      • Ahh, so now you have me uneducated and broke whilst you pursue some sort of manifest destiny. How very droll 🙂 I believe someone in the ONA wrote something, forgive me if this is a little fuzzy, on the..wait for it..mundanity of presenting just such a dichotomy. In this instance I would have to agree.

        For the record I chased that carrot too, under the same sorts of pretenses and rationalizations you are using. I have a handful of Microsoft MCPs in my pocket, certified in a+ and system V, as well as all sorts of little tickets from driving big cool hydraulic toys to level 3 first aid to sailing/canoe instructor to blah blah blah. Who cares?

        And ya, my computer superpowers, and the stupid little tickets that can properly understood as telling certain people you are willing to become an automaton(I soon discovered tickets seldom translate to real world ability), got me that very seat in that office that people call the ‘good job’ , making the ‘good money’. Then I realized it’s all bullshit.

        Now I do very well financially on my own terms,want for little, and am able to do those very things you aspire to do on a whim, on a whim. Cool right?

        Meanwhile, you are slowly taking over the world by becoming what..an independent filmmaker? We all know our last 6 overlords were inde..anyway. Or the other route, you become a pawn in some studio somewhere doing exactly what you are told, grateful for even the slightest iota of creative control granted you by people you might not ever get to even meet. Anyway, not hatin’, just bringing the real here.

        Best of luck with all that.

        Denying you were a christian is weaksauce, own your shit man. It isn’t like the residue isn’t obvious. Right after telling me you have no intention of being disingenuous too lol.

        As per the Satan thing..fuck man, I feel like I am beating my head against a wall. Maybe your reading comprehension sucks, maybe you are just fixed to ‘win’ this at any cost, maybe something else I haven’t thought of. For what will be the last time(here at least) let me lay it out.

        You say Satanism fails because it wont resonate with everyone. I say that is it’s strength. You say it fails because it is not hive minded or forward thinking progressive to humanity. I say those are too it’s strengths. You criticize the fact that my particular ‘Satanism’, stripped of Satan would reach a more diverse audience, I say that is because it would lose that very X factor that kept to more normal sorts at bay.

        To your “you do this yet you do this” list of rhetorical questions I answer, universally, yes.

        You just don’t GET it, man. I am not out to convert the world, I am not offering some right or true way, I am only interested in those that DO resonate with that certain darkness that breeds an affinity to the Satanic archetype. Why do you keep projecting your collectivist goals onto me? I really don’t want or need them.

        For the record, if you want to compete with islam or christianity you are going to need to find at least one person to jive your interogism shit. I got lots I can spare if you need to borrow one? And I don’t even care if anyone jives my shit really, because I aint out to change anyones mind. Oh, the irony..

        And with that, this ends. Hope you’ve had fun. I do recommend you turn that interrogism inwards for a spell, it’s good for the ‘soul’ 🙂

  2. That is a wonderful essay Dan Dread. Well expressed and explained. Yes we are all slaves until we choose to break free from our masters. And the thing is when we break free we are not really free. And yes Satan rules this earth and we need to embrace him along with the love,hate and chaos. Order is an illusion. Being more like Satan is my goal!! See Satan is my lord and master!! \M/

    • You have such intelligent readers Dan. So thoughtful and wise. All hail the one great lord, and may Dan lead the way…

      LMMFAO!!!